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The “Money In” Talks About the Rossi E-Cat
November 7, 2012 | 16 Comments
The first folks to put up money for the Andrea Rossi E-Cat are the territorial distributors. Whatever any of us might think, these folks have the wherewithal and fortitude to get in for the business future. What the business might turn out to be is still quite the item for discussion, but 150 years ago the smartest doctors said there were no germs.
More time will tell.
Brian Wang found an interview of a distributor in Italy that is formatted in “ten questions” that are sure to have been edited both for clarity and brevity. We also have to deal with a Google translation to learn what’s been said.
Aldo Proia. Click image for the largest view.
Luciano Saporito interviewed Aldo Proia, Chairman and CEO of Prometeon Ltd. a licensee company of the E-Cat in Italy.
Briefly, so as not to over run Saporito’s work we’ll have a quick summary.
First, Proia said the E-Cats running at low temps such as 120ºC are for sale now and the guarantee is for a co-efficient of power or COP, of 6. This sort of model still needs an electric power source. The high temperature version E-Cat at a suggested temperature of 600ºC is still in development. Proia suggests there is more news to come further out in time.
On the matter of competing interests stopping the development of Cold Fusion or LENR or whatever the description becomes, Proia believes that in today’s world technology is very hard to stop. What one country will impede, another will take up.
On the sales front Proia relates the facts as his firm practices them. Prometeon selects the first customers, which must meet certain requirements. Then, after this initial phase lasting at least 6 months, the company will consider a massive sales program. Obviously Proia and his firm would dearly love to speed things up, but progress is subject to the research and development pace.
For the questioning minds the idea of “seeing” a working commercial unit at 1 MW thermal depends on the customers. Prometeon will not be disclosing customer information without the prior authorization by the customer. In any case, requests will not be possible for several months after installation and then will still depend on the consent of the customer.
Industrial E-Cat Illustration. Click image for the largest view.
A couple questions focus on the local Italian economic effects. Here Proia doesn’t come directly to an answer, rather points to the nature of the savings and the market limitations both in Italy and the U.S. Saporito asks about the employment impacts for which Proia considers that E-Cats may well improve locally to an E-Cat’s employment conditions.
Proia addresses the early adopter risk of becoming outdated with new research and development. Here the issue is for now simple. As E-Cats are fueled for six months a refueling would contain the latest developments.
What is this Prometeon firm? It’s the sole licensee for Italy and the Republic of San Marino, of the Energy Catalyzer or E-Cat. It may even be a one-man business.
There is a bit of insight on the E-Cat on the Prometeon site. The nickel and hydrogen is pretreated, supplied by a special “tablet” containing a special molecule, which liberates hydrogen during heating of the reaction chamber and then reabsorbs during cooling.
An E-Cat works commercially with an alternating series of stages of heating with long periods of complete self-sufficiency: a little like a clothing iron, which turns on and off continuously, with the difference that an E-Cat produces power even when “off”.
There’s not much here for either the advocates or naysayers. But it’s noteworthy that the outside marketing money is speaking out now. This and much of the information is parallel to the information that has stayed steady from Mr. Rossi.
With that we’ll wish all of those involved, all the way to the discreet customers the best of success and a wish for a little public information that the rest of us can use to start looking to own an E-Cat ourselves.
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When things look bleakest – something good always happens. No one knew in the dark days of the Jimmy Carter economy that the Internet was right around the corner.
Perhaps LENR is what will be the economic engine that pushes us forward for the next decade? Or, maybe one of the independent nuclear fusion teams will achieve success.
Wouldn’t that be great? Perhaps it could even save the Republic.
There is absolutely nothing worth believing here. No new information, no test data, no third party data…
This simply means that Rossi’s fraud is now extended to an assistant.
It is one thing to withold technical secrets, but operational data has never been provided by Rossi and he likely never will.
The article states that the low energy units are for sale right now, but you cannot really nuy one or even see its operation. The Rossi team has always had a problem with the verb ‘to do’ They say they have done something when they means they would like to do something in the future.
Come on Brian, what’s with all the negativity? Rossie has NOT cost you or any taxpayer a dime, so quit all the griping about him and his inventions.
For instance Apple Computer has the same sort of secrecy, if not more so, in the development of there new products or do you not understand such things in the competitive business world?
Lighten up, sit back and watch carefully – you may learn something new – hopefully, soon!
Contrary to what this post indicates, there is something here for naysayers:
We still—still!—do not have a working model, or independent, third-party verification of anything that works.
Is that too much to ask? How many more years will pass while hear about the potential for cold fusion etc. Right around the corner. Coming up. Close. Next year. Or the one after that. Soon.
Hey NJT
This one looks more and more like a common or garden licensing swindle. OK Rossi hasn’t cost the taxpayer a dime, but he hasn’t demonstrated a working machine, and he has made promise after promise that has never been fulfilled. If he’s got an invention, let’s see it! And if we can’t see it, we should invest a single penny. This is a classic free energy scam!
I made a mistake in my post! “Should invest” was a mistake for “shouldn’t invest”, of course.
What can I say that has not been already said?
No testing by an independent lab.
No sales to anyone that you could speak to.
No Ecat. None NADA nothing.
How is this NOT a SCAM?
Been years since ROSSI said he would sell a unit!
NJT?
(Nut Job T.)?
This is definitely another free energy scam.
Look up John W Keely!
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/keely/keely.htm
jetmech,
According to the information I have been reading. The USA Department of Naval Research Laboratories bought one of Rossi’s 1MW e-cat plants after his demo last fall and is presently experimenting with that unit.
Rossi has just announced production of one megawatt industrial machines, the production of which are naturally going to run parallel to the home units that started production late last year at a fantasy factory run by hobbits in south Florida. Rossi has also devised a very clever fart collection machine, but if you volunteer for one of the test units be sure to bite on a bullet before Rossi goes to plug you in (unless you are already an Ecat investor, in which case you are already greased up well enough there will be no additional discomfort. Enjoy.
The Tim Channel,
Your comment speaks for itself and shows you as someone with many dysfunctional neural synapsis. How do you like that box you are in?
NJT
What you are stating is incorrect.
The Naval Research laboratory HAS NOT bought one of Rossi’s Ecats.
Where did you read that?
They actually tried to attend a demo run by Rossi for their benifet.
The device could not be made to work as specified so they walked.
They walked away NJT.
It did not work
so they left.
How much more plainer can i get?
The Navy guys left the building.
Went.
Did not buy anything.
Now think about this NJT.
What IF Rossi HAD sold one of his highly secret
Ecats (remember he does not want ANYONE to learn his SECRETS!)
To a SECRET NAVY Government Agency?
Who would naturally DISCOVER his SECRET Thus
Rendering his SECRET
NON SECRET?
WE have QUANTUM JUMPING SECRETS!
A veritable Schrodingers Cat of Quantum Jumping Ecat Secrets!
How do you like the box you are in?
Is the SECRET dead or alive?
Look up schrodingers cat in the box.
NJT
You have no rational response to The TIM Channel, so like so many other free energy fanboys and dupes of scammers, you resort to childish abuse. “Your comment speaks for itself and shows you as someone with many dysfunctional neural synapsis. How do you like that box you are in?” I’ve been on the receiving end of drivel like his too. It is not only puerile, but pointless. Reasoned argument against scams and delusions isn’t going to go away merely because you insult the people who provide it.
Yes Craig.
I see where you are going and why you said what you said!
LOL!
Rossi lives in florida,which is a safe haven for scam artists.He is a convicted scam artist and has got millions from franchise fees.
There is no E-cat. It’s a fantasy product. It’s a scam. Not sure how it is these guys are avoiding jail. I think maybe it’s because each person who is suckered into buying a liscense is then forced to become part of the scam in order to have any hope of recovering their outlay. I bet these liscenses are only sold to those who put up their entire fortunes in the purchase. Thus they can’t afford to write the investment off. A victim becomes a partner in the perpetuation of the scam. Of course, there is a miniscule chance I could be wrong but I highly doubt it.