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Better LENR News From Greece
January 25, 2012 | 13 Comments
The Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies Global Ltd. (PDGT) firm that was and then wasn’t a partner with Andrea Rossi in marketing the E-Cat LENR reactor has announced the permitting of third party evaluations of their product named “Hyperion”. PDGT had for a time an opportunity to learn what Rossi has accomplished and since is proposing they have a different take on LENR and are now ready to cooperate with recognized and reputable scientific and business organizations to test and evaluate the Hyperion reactor.
Back at the end of November PDGT offered news that a series of third party tests on Hyperion products were scheduled to be performed within the first months of 2012. That test proceeding is being handled privately and was to take place after a certification of some kind.
The Defkalion Hyperion Multieactor Diagram
The new announcement is a major confidence builder as the firm is offering qualified engineers from institutions and industry a first look with their own instrumentation. Obviously at this time the offer isn’t to ship units out of their control, rather the offer is to provide the first look and the opportunity to confirm the claims and identify the applicability and estimate the savings and energy availability. It is a shrewd move and there very likely will be takers.
The objectives at this early stage are simple. Determine the excess heat of reactor discharge without a cooling apparatus to determine a total energy consumed to energy production ratio. Also on the list is a radioactivity measurement and operational stability handled by the Hyperion control system.
The press release offers extensive details on the conditions PDGT hopes to hold through negotiations with test offers. In fact the conditions describe the firm’s resources and a kind of standard such that all tests will have similarity in protocol and the results can be relevant to others. That’s an advantage to everyone at this stage.
Moreover, the firm is making clear they have minimum standards of test conduct. At this stage LENR is a controversial technology. The base the level of doubt is the technology is not even credible. The caution involved is not just protective of the firm’s proprietary technology, the caution also should firewall out the time and resource wasting detractors.
This stage is a very impressive boost for both PDGT and the LENR community. While Mr. Rossi is at least greatly annoyed, and justifiably incensed, the PDGT effort may well boost his own efforts to a more accepted level faster.
The puff part is the Hyperion’s new very high discharge temperature, capable of exceeding 650º C. That’s enough to drive steam turbines and getting close to dry steam.
At those discharge temperatures PDGT is suggesting the third party test can expect at least a 1:20 ratio of consumed energy to produced energy. Its also way past what might be installed in homes. PDGT seems to looking at heat production and more industrial applications.
After the press release is a comment section that includes some impressive persons. Jed Rothwell who runs the respected LENR-CANR.org was there to straighten up some visitors’ questions. By early this morning the comments were getting quite sophisticated and precise in their assessment for the PDGT test offer. The comments are a worthwhile read on their own.
LENR has got legs under it now. Things are sure to move faster and news should be much more important and worthy of attention to a much wider audience.
A Hat Tip to NextBigFuture for seeing the news first and getting the links up fast!
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If Defkalion’s LENR reactor gets such high temperatures, then just hook one up to an electricity generatoring turbine and demonstrate more electricity generated than used. No need for elaborate third party confirmation.
I agree.
At 20x over unity.
For Gods Sake just hook it to
a generator and read the output
electricity.
Respect
Kim
Well, independent verification, offsite by a reputable entity, is necessary.
Most likely, this is another fraud. Hook up some concealed wires to cook some water but say it is LENR going on. Have dupes affirm it worked. Even hidden microwaves can heat something up. And there are ordinary chemical reactions that generate heat.
If you watch a skilled magician at work–well, it seems like magic. But behind the tricks are banal explanations. That is why magicians never want you to see them except under controlled conditions.
Why do Rossi and the Greeks want to control the conditions?
They are obvious frauds, that is why.
Commenting on Benjamin Cole, if you had an invention in your hand which for one reason or other you couldn’t patent(The US patent Office doesn’t patent seemingly perpetuum energy), wouldn`t you protect your invention it in order to get a headstart on your competitors? Especially if the technology is that simple, as it seems to be. Rossi seems to negate money now in order to gain when the eCat is ready to launch and he has not to fear from competitors in the short run.
No, I would develop the device and have it tested by independent reputable outfits ASAP. I would then determine how they want to test it.
This is bogus. If it were real, Rossi and the Greeks would be set for life whatever happened. They would be seeking major manufacturing partners such as GE.
In fact, they would just demonstrate for GE. Let GE lawyers handle everything legal and manufacturing and collect fat royalties.
I wish LENR was real, at least the the commercial sense. For 20 years people have been wishing it was real. In 20 years there will be another fraud involving LENR, I am sure.
Benjamin Cole your accusations are a fraud based on zero proof. The fact that you come here making baseless accusations makes me suspicious of you motives. I am sure there were people just like you around saying similar things about the write bros, Edison, Alexander Bell. I am just glad it is not the 1600’s for I’m sure you would be building the fires to burn LENR proponents at the stake for heresy. I do not need you to protect me or influence my investigation of these technologies. Thank you and good day.
Terry L
Please try to address Benjamin Cole’s (it seems to me very valid) reasoning rather than spout absurd accusations about him wanting to murder people.
[…] YouTube of some testing taking place on one of their “bare” reactors. This comes soon after the firm offered qualified testing opportunities to worthy scientists and industrial concerns. The company commented on the firm’s website forum about the video saying, “As you can notice, […]
OK if Rossi and Defkalion are committing fraud what’s the goal? Bilking investors? But they aren’t asking for or accepting investments from the public.So if the point is to make money off this situation it must be to get money from the people that will buy the devices. The devices can’t be sold without certification either by Underwriters labs or the European certification process.I don’t think either of these organizations will go along with fraud.
The Ecat isn’t hard to manufacture so GE really isn’t needed also their interests runs counter to selling the Ecats.
Jim
Rossi’s taking money from investors. Look up the masses of material available on the Internet.
What Defkalion are up to, I’ve no idea. But time will tell.
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